Nurse to physician assistant reddit

To put this number into perspective, roughly 9,554 PAs became certified in 2019. " The usual path to PA is 4-year undergraduate program in any field + 2-year graduate program in PA school, whereas the usual path to NP is 4-year undergraduate program in nursing + 2-year graduate program in nursing. This includes physicians, dentists, attorneys, physician assistants, nurse practitioners, pharmacists, physical therapists, occupational therapists, and others with high incomes. Reminder: Physician's Assistants are no better than Nurse Practitioners. Financial considerations are key, with a focus on minimizing student debt while pursuing the most efficient and beneficial educational path. (Family np, geriatric np, psych np, acute care np, adult np, etc. r/physicianassistant. g. 3) the walk-in thing just sucks ass. I'm wondering if it is possible to practice as both a nurse and a physician assistant, assuming one would remain within their scope of practice at each job. There are some 5-year combined bachelors+master's PA programs. I am one of the many PAs who do not wish to practice independently, even after 6 years of practice, but feel that our This is THE subreddit for all pre-physician assistant students seeking help with their applications. Check out the r/PAstudent subreddit once accepted and r/physicianassistant after graduation. PA school is also much more competitive than NP and very rigorous, you can’t work and do PA school like you can NP. On one hand, I will have full practice authority and a probably easier continuation. r/Noctor. upvotes ·comments. from at least 8-5 every day. im currently an anesthesia tech in labor and delivery and I realized I actually love anesthesiology a lot. I am a nurse practitioner because I thought that was what I wanted to do - but I really missed bedside nursing, and I love being back. I am paid slightly more as an RN (staff nurse, not traveler) than I was as an NP, with better hours, PTO, and less liability. My new job I only work Tues - Thurs 8 hours and half day fridays with an average of 17 pts per day. PAs: Always under the supervision or collaboration of a physician, with the level of control depending on state rules and practice setting. 2. This includes courses like Biology I & II with lab, Chemistry I & II with lab, organic chemistry with lab, biochemistry This includes physicians, dentists, attorneys, physician assistants, nurse practitioners, pharmacists, physical therapists, occupational therapists, and others with high incomes. I apologize to sound dismissive, but I don't think there are any "pros" to the title physician assistant or nurse practitioner. BSN programs are more entry-level whereas PA applicants are expected to have 500+ hours of patient care experience. So that is approximately 4-5 years of additional schooling vs. There are a lot of hospitals in Ontario that have permanent PAs. so yes, it is extremely difficult. Share. Every single doctor in America has to pass the UMSLE series and complete an American residency, which in itself is longer than the entirety of PA school. Age 28-graduate nursing school and start working as a nurse. Members Online To those who borrowed around 500k in loans for dental school have any of you paid them off At least 10-20% of patients. Seriously Age 26- get into accelerated second bachelors of nursing career bc the CASPA window already passed by the time i was stable. ago. Most PAs don't want full autonomy anyway; that is more of an NP thing. Reply reply. Work is pretty fast paced but the good thing is I can go to my senior PAs or supervising physicians and ask questions. Education. But I do agree that “mid-level” provider can be not optimal and Advanced practice practitioner (APP) to cover nurse practitioners and physician assistants are reasonable. IMO, if you're looking to work independently, PA is the best way to go for patient safety and management of psychiatric medications. I just finished the IPAP though the army and would be happy to answer any questions. It is designed to highlight the differences between a medical doctor and midlevels in areas including training, research, outcomes, and lobbying. To top it off NP is moving towards becoming a doctorate degree, which lengthens the process considerably. There's bonus pay any day you're on call. Physician associate does not offer any value to the workforce. First practice I was there for 3 years and I loved my office and my patients but was very very busy, M-F 23 patients per day, burnout city. PA or NP- please do not hate on one profession over the other. I didn’t want to be a nurse. Here is a link to where you can I’ve really been debating anesthesiologist assistant vs physician assistant. gastro-girl. Get married. Members Online Post here yesterday- Reddit user was trying to aggravate social class division- here is original post they referenced. I typically work 3 weekend days a month. ”. We each work a different one Family life is good. Lateral mobility, the ability to study and work in medicine without being “married” to medicine, work life balance, the ability to make a meaningful impact in patients’ lives, and the collaborative working environment. Where I work, the starting salary gets bumped up for “related” experience. The VA looks pretty good! I recently applied for a job at the local VA. This is THE subreddit for all pre-physician assistant students seeking help with their applications. Start at 80k CAD and ranges up to >100k. Either way, they should be respected fully as colleagues within the medical system. Schedule: 7-7:30am to 4-5pm M-F. 5-year MPA), and other many other jobs that benefit from such a system (e. Physicians will rarely come see a patient esi 3-5 unless asked to do so. HPSP is the military program for physicians, IPAP (interservice physician assistant program) is the military's school for PA's. Members Online To those who borrowed around 500k in loans for dental school have any of you paid them off I like my job too! Cardiac surgery. The first question says. sSamoo. MOD. Participation is open to anyone, including PAs, Physicians, NPs, nurses, students, other medical professionals, and the general public. 02. So much so that I almost considered switching to premed (after realizing PAs don’t work in anesthesia). I've been working in GI for 5 years. 8. Hi all. Nursing associate would if they were being used appropriately but they are not. Furthermore, physician assistants are required to complete rotations in family medicine, internal medicine, pediatrics, women’s health, behavioral health, and surgery (2). And assuming you already have all your med school prerequisites done you'll probably have most if not all the the prerequisites for PA school. The answer is simply to find a new job and/or work more. A similar system for nursing education (4-year bachelor's or 4-year vocational degree), physician assistant education (2. I am against any name changes that confuse the situation. Age 29-32- work in the ER as a nurse Age 32- apply for PA school. 95% of PA in military commission/ go through IPAP. We have 3 docs (soon to be 4) and 4 PAs and the PAs rotate who takes call. PAs, as well as other medical professionals are welcome to the community. The curriculum includes advanced nursing, pharmacology, clinical rotations, and more. They can be accessed from the sidebar as well as the TOP menu bar. Coursework for nurse practitioners requires the following: advanced physical assessment, advanced pharmacology, and advanced pathophysiology (1). Greetings r/medicine. a semester in PA school for me was 36 credit hours of pharmacology, clinical medicine, physical exam, anatomy labs, etc. The future of our profession & the oversaturated NP job markets. Absolutely absurd. a PA program, which is 2 years. PA: Bachelors + 2-3 years PA school. After completing 11 rotations, I now realize that an all This is THE subreddit for all pre-physician assistant students seeking help with their applications. Also, lots of experience to bring to PA school as an RN. what to do? r/physicianassistant. police officer, the same level as the 4-year vocational nursing degree but structured differently). I had a 3. Members Online PharmD with 0 debt or go to med school and accumulate 300k worth of debt. 9 in undergrad without really studying at all and I studied constantly in PA school. . That isn’t why I decided against nursing, but it’s part of it. NPs are trained in nursing and yes, there is a difference. Loved all the docs and co workers (I worked with NPs and social workers). Most PA programs require 6 months of work ADMIN MOD. This is more than MD/DO graduates COMBINED. Three PA schools: UofM, Mac, and UofT. Made good money. For pre-PA help, check out /r/prephysicianassistant. The PA on call answers questions on the phone and scrubs in for anyone still in surgery come 5pm and scrubs in for any surgeries on the weekend or after 5pm. They’re considering a nursing career with an associate’s degree, potentially earning $34-$39 an hour, and exploring further education to become a Nurse Practitioner or a Physician Assistant. Becoming an NP will require becoming a nurse first. Members Online Patient got me a $1000 bottle of wine…. This subreddit geared towards professional aspects of medicine and the PA community. Our job is to keep everyone flying and take care of everyone else involved in flying (aircrew, maintainers, ATC, etc). Hiring Manager: As new graduate Physician Assistant from XYZ in NYC, I have used each clinical rotation as an opportunity to find the niche that is the right fit for me. Physician's assistants have decided that they would rather side This is THE subreddit for all pre-physician assistant students seeking help with their applications. ) who pretend to be doctors. They are being used more and more in expanding the practice capacity of healthcare providers. On some level that makes sense, but only if you ignore the training discrepancy. If you're looking for guidance and resources for Reply. So for example a new grad NP who was a nurse for two years would be paid more for the same position than a new grad PA who came out of a non-healthcare field. Looks like they have updated things and the pay is pretty competitive. Some background about my education: In 2021 (I was 21 at the time) I was taking a break from school because I wasn't sure what I wanted to do and on a whim decided to apply for a physical therapist assistant program with the idea of becoming a DPT in the future. Buy a condo. Nurse Practitioners are even able to open their practice with a physician supervisor. They’re paying you to be a PA, not something else. At nights go to 1 physician assistant and 1 physician and at that point is a free for all on the busiest nights, but physicians are expected to staff ESI 1 and 2 within 15 minutes of a PA. Some NPs have a Doctorate in Nursing Practice and refer to themselves as Dr. If you take their scope of practice from the NMC literally they shouldn’t be making any plans of care, just providing it, IVs are outside of their scope of practice too. ADMIN MOD. ER PA, see all ESI levels prioritizing 3, 4 and 5 as docs are seeing 1, and 2. Have you graduated, in good standing, from an accredited school of allopathic medicine, osteopathic medicine, dental surgery, dental medicine, physician assistant, or advanced practice nursing in the United States during the 5-year period immediately preceding the date on which you first submitted a registration or Nurse practitioners are nurses that went to some extra schooling and in some states are independent. It’s really frustrating this isn’t takes about more in school, but absolutely do not put your own address or phone number. Sort by: ddrzew1. For the OP- The people who come on line to complain are self-selected and not representative of PAs out in the real world. Some post-grad residencies exist for both fields but are not mandatory or the norm. I prefer the physician assistant route over nurse practitioner but it would obviously be a waste to give up nursing entirely after finishing pa school. Years ago, I skipped over one because the pay was pretty low in comparison to other gigs in the area. There was a time when physician's assistants could claim they were more ethical or better trained than nurse practitioners. NPs: Registered nurses leveling up with a master's or doctorate, building on their nursing experience. You cant win. • 3 yr. So my 3. The NP profession only began in 1965, so PA school is more competitive to be accepted into than a BSN program. Physician's assistants exist in many other countries. A normal full time undergrad schedule is 12-18 credit hours. Salary is less than American PAs. Never met a PA in military that did HPSP that didn't become a doc. They can diagnose, order tests, and prescribe like a physician in those states. This is not a sub for discussing nurses acting in a nursing role. It will come off as degrading to the physician profession and also make it appear as if you believe PA is “less”. However, PA has a significantly more comprehensive education and has more This is THE subreddit for all pre-physician assistant students seeking help with their applications. PA's value the team-centric approach to medicine to provide optimal care with collaborating physicians and other medical professionals. Lastly I’d figure out what is most important to you, medical knowledge or job power/pay. However, nurse practitioners are usually more focused in their scope of practice. It will be a good idea to go for a BSN, and to make sure you take as many courses that are prerequisites for PA school as you can while you're getting your BSN. Short answer: yes, you can become a PA after being an RN. I also spent time as an anatomist and a chiropractic assistant to better diversify my healthcare experiences. I work 0. It’s good exposure to the medical field, and from there I can determine if PA is really what I want. I am an RN and I know I want to continue my education, however I am torn between NP or PA. 94 that I fucking busted my ass for is no more likely to get me admitted than Becky’s 3. Otherwise your personal info ends up online which is easily accessible to all your patients. That is no longer the case (and has not been the case since the pandemic). 6. Sometimes it’s easy to see 20 pts in a day because you get to know them really well, esp the long term ones. Switch to ER after a year. Award. Put your schools or if you have a job lined up put theirs. The best career potential right now for upward growth in opportunity and salary lies as a Nurse Practitioner or a Physician's Assistant. 1. 2) you are always at odds with either the employee, the employer, or the insurer. Holidays are on a rotation. Non stressful environment. I worked as a personal trainer prior to PA school for 7 years. I can contact my SP at any time but there’s never another physician or NP here with me. Suchandsuch to patients. Fast forward to the next 6 years as a psych PA (ER/inpatient ) and life was a cake walk. Work on the floor as a nurse. You'll also need patient contact hours to apply to PA school. NP education is pretty inferior to PA education (though there are plenty of good NPs). Here's my "surgical PA" cover letter - hint, I literally had a different cover letter for every field I applied to. The training for NP is reliant on you having experience as a nurse, which you won't have yet. Frame it as better work/life balance and a better chance at pursuing your hobbies outside of medicine. 68W2PA. I realize that the topic of PA and NP practice autonomy is polarizing, and generally viewed in a negative light here, and for understandable reasons. First to be a PA you would need a 4 year degree and would have to do well in all the relevant pre-reqs. The short term rehab pts are there usually anywhere from 7-60 days. Welcome to the PA (Physician Associate) subreddit. You can look into jobs with large bonus structure like EM, UC, or derm or work a couple of PT or PRN jobs at higher hourly rates. I've worked with both students and graduates of both fields. I love my job in primary care, practicing 5 years. Working in the ER I do 12, twelve hour shifts per month. My job is split between hospital and clinic, although I do mostly hospital at this point. Job opportunities- both can work in any healthcare specialty, but nursing has a few more opportunities than PA. All of them have different application processes. Then I realized there’s a PA version of an Well it turns out there’s such demand to get into nursing school here that nearly all programs use a lottery system to determine who is admitted. Physician assistants losing to nurse practitioners. That does not exist for midlevels of any kind. "In the 2019-2020 academic year, the AANP stated that over 30,000 NPs graduated (AANP: NP Fact Sheet). Perhaps even “I see PA as being the most compatible with what I want out of life, because. Was able to travel abroad multiple times. Heading to a carrier wing, which seems to be where the navy wants to send most new APAs. My state schools (University of Maryland system) have already transitioned NP programs to a doctorate level of study. Physician assistants are trained to be what I call "mini-physicians. There is standardization and regulation for physicians. That's one of the greatest benefits of becoming a PA, with a single job application you can drastically change your day to day routine/workflow. Please read our Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs) before submitting questions. • 2 yr. Welcome to our virtual space for all things related to PAs! Participation is open to anyone, including PAs, Physicians, NPs, nurses, students, other medical professionals, and the general public. And PA students may be interested in /r/PAstudent for discussions about PA school. Nursing (rn) vs physician assistant, I’m currently a junior and i’m looking at these two options. No one who signs your paycheck is going to give a rats behind about the initials after PA-C. The employee doesnt want to go back to work, the employer wants them back to work, and the insurer doesnt want to pay. You need to be comfortable being pretty autonomous. " In that they can work independently without direct physician oversight. •. Duties will include 50% of time in clinic and 50% of time in squadron spaces getting to know people in the squadrons outside of the office. _____ "Noctor" refers to midlevels (NP, PA, CRNA, CNM, etc. I think PA classes are all held in-person, too. Please review our forum rules before contributing. ). I am completely torn and need some advice/perspectives. In many states the nurse practitioners have more "power. I would have preferred that A&P course, or an actual course on radiology interpretation (instead of a single 4-hour lecture) or a course on EKG interpretation (instead of a single lecture), etc. Yes. Doctor was a complete asshole and I hated my life. Add a Comment. Not to say there aren’t real problems that should be worked on but don’t let what you read just on the internet poison your understanding of the career. Reply. You will get 3-4x the clinical exposure and a much stronger science/evidence based medicine education. Clinic days are 15 patients max. This sub is intended as a repository of sources and a place of discussion regarding independent and inappropriate midlevel practice. NP: Bachelors + 1 year RN experience + 2-4 years NP school. Caveats and exceptions. Personally, it was just the perfect fit. 8 FTE, M-F with only about 5-6 weekends and 1 holiday a year that I get compensated extra for. If you want to go into EM or surgery you are much better off as a PA as there is not a ton of jobs for NPs in those areas. bw iw bd ht ry zs nq ac ao bc